Elsewhere in the interview, the pair spend a great deal of time discussing space travel and the terraforming of Mars “into a big Jamaica”—“That would be great,” Musk says, giggling—the need for regulation in artificial intelligence (no complaints here), and Musk’s plan to implant tiny electrodes into the human brain via his Neuralink company, which he says will have “something interesting” to announce in a few months that will be “an order of magnitude” ahead of what people currently think is possible.

If that sounds a bit heady, fear not, because it’s not long before this happens:

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Yes, that is Elon Musk holding Joe Rogan’s samurai sword. “I know you’re into weapons,” Rogan says, a sentence that should send chills up your spine.

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They also talk flamethrowers, to which Musk is well acquainted, and the 2002 action fantasy Reign of Fire, which we criticized for “plod[ding] along from one dragon fight to the next.” Musk hasn’t seen it, but something tells us he’d like it.

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Still, Musk is at his most stoned before ever taking that fateful puff. Have fun following this one:

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“We’re one notch above a chimp,” Musk says at one point. And, as this interview proves, he couldn’t possibly be more right.

Listen to the full interview below: