Michael Mando on Nacho Varga's major moment in last night's Better Call Saul

MM: There’s an unspoken code between Nacho and Mike. They’re both characters who have virtuous hearts. The tragedy of Mike is that he breaks bad along with all the other characters as the story continues. And I think the beauty of the character of Nacho, and the tragedy, is that he’s the only character breaking good. They intersect at their highest, where they’re most alike. And they’re most alike for a very brief moment, and then Nacho goes towards the good side and Mike keeps going darker and darker. Also, Nacho secures his father’s safety in that final scene [at the meet-up in the desert]. He takes it upon himself to do everything right, to make sure that the Salamancas and Bolsa believe his story and that it protects his father. So he also takes matters his own hands.

AVC: Mike and Nacho exchanged those little nods when Mike got out of the van at the meet-up. It became a crushing moment when we saw what Nacho decided to do with Juan Bolsa’s gun.

MM: I think [Mike and Nacho are] both parallels of each other. In a way, Mike is a father figure for Nacho in the cartel world, and Nacho represents Mike’s son in the cartel world.

AVC: Mike very much did want to save Nacho. Do you think the loss of Nacho, especially after Gus made Mike kill Werner, is what solidified Mike breaking bad?

MM: That’s a good question. I think we should ask Jonathan Banks that question. As a viewer, to me, I know that Mike tells Jesse in Breaking Bad, “I had a guy, and you’re not that guy.” And according to some fans, they think that Mike is referring to Nacho. But those are just fan theories that I read on the internet. You’d have to ask Vince and Peter the details of those questions. But our fans are incredible.

AVC: Nacho’s whole final speech at the desert meet-up is brilliant. What was his main motivation in telling Hector he was the one who caused his stroke?

MM: There’s a lot going on sub textually in that scene. For one, Nacho swears allegiance to the side of good and sort of revokes the privileges of the cartel. He turns down the highest position from Don Eladio, turns down the money and the power in order to protect the integrity and the virtue of his father. And there’s a community element to that, too, where Nacho kind of stands up for what he aspires for, for his father and his community. So he’s taking a stance, in that situation.

AVC: What was it like filming that scene?

MM: It was a really beautiful responsibility that the writer gave me. They told me this was going to be a performance that basically hit every note on the piano. It was going to be action-packed; it was going to be physical. It was going to be emotional, psychological, with an underlying spiritual current to it. So it was just an incredible challenge that I relished. And it gave me an appetite for the kind of characters and roles that I’d like to pursue in the future.

AVC: At what point had Nacho decided he was going to go for Juan Bolsa’s gun and pull the trigger on himself?

MM: I think Nacho decided that he was going to sacrifice his life for his father during that phone conversation with his dad. And he decided that he was going to take matters into his own hands when he found the piece of glass in the trailer. And he came up with the gun plan; I think he was speculating it, but he kind of tosses a quick look when Juan Bolsa is talking, and he realizes that everything’s aligned, and that’s what he’s going to do.