Anna Wise is stepping into the spotlight after a decade of singing in the background

While As If It Were Forever may stand as her official full-length debut, Anna Wise is not new to the music industry. Her latest solo effort is the long-developing cherry on top of a 10-year career that includes two EPs and a Grammy-winning collaboration with Kendrick Lamar. With ethereal melodies and soul-arresting lyrics, As If It Were Forever, released today, is a pensive, honest statement from an artist whose voice has floated in and out of pop culture via songs like Lamar’s “These Walls” and soundtracks for shows like Insecure and Dear White People. There’s an immersive quality to Wise’s 12-song debut, outfitted with swelling compositions that allow room for the listener to wander. In September, Wise talked with The A.V. Club about mining her own personal growth for her latest album as well as the combined powers of patience and a decade’s worth of know-how.
The A.V. Club: As If It Were Forever is a departure from The Feminine Acts 1 and 2. Whereas the EPs were rooted in womanhood and feminism, the album digs into relationship dynamics and vulnerability. What was it like to record something more personal?
Anna Wise: It was absolutely intentional for me to be more personal this time. Through personal growth and just over time, I realized that if I want to change the world, I first have to change myself. That’s actually a mantra of mine. I believe in the collective unconsciousness and raising the average of every human by working on the self. So the album reflects that journey, my desire to be better.
AVC: “Nerve,” which you wrote with Jon Bap and Nick Hakim, radiates this exciting, spontaneous energy—which seems appropriate, since the three of you wrote the song in one night. What had to align for that to happen?
AW: I think it was the magic of my relationships with those two people, as well as the build-up of us wanting to work together for so long and then finally getting to. When all three of us got in the room, it was like magic happened—one person would quickly come up with an idea, and the other two would love it. So I believe it was the energy of the three of us, the genius of Jon Bap and Nick Hakim, and the fact that we had never worked together before. There’s also the power of trying something for the first time—I think the book The Alchemist talks about that, how the first time you do something can be super magical.
And that actually happens to me a lot, where these downloads will come through really quickly and I have to be prepared. I’ve had to learn how to catch the idea and give it the space it needs to transpire, and I feel super lucky and blessed. I believe that ideas are swirling around us all the time, and it’s best to be prepared to receive them. I’ve been doing this for a long time. I’ve been making music my whole life and professionally for 10 years. I was in a band called Sonnymoon before going solo and making my own stuff, so I would like to think that my channel is pretty well-tuned, and when I open myself up and I’m ready, things can come through in an efficient and often quick way.
AVC: Recently you said that, lyrically, “Nerve” is “about spring cleaning your relationships and not being afraid of letting go,” which you recognized was a lesson that you’re still learning. What do you think makes these kind of lessons timeless breeding grounds for art?
AW: The lessons never end. We’re always learning, and I think it’s all about giving in to that, surrendering to the fact that we know so little, and just being open to learning and not being ashamed of not knowing something. I’m learning so much every day—from my child, my partner, my friends—it never ends. It’s just about being honest about not being perfect and having it all together and that it’s always a process.