On his podcast, All Fantasy Everything, comedian Ian Karmel comes together with special guests to “fantasy draft” the perfect roster of things in pop culture, like MTV shows, or movie quotes. An early episode of the podcast saw Karmel, with guests Sean Jordan and David Gborie, attempt to draft the perfect sandwich, which led to an argument that our friends at The Takeout undertake far too often: Is a hot dog a sandwich? Karmel says yes, but even he’s not sure anymore.

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