This week's must-hear podcasts: Conan O'Brien pays his respects to Norm Macdonald
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Conan Talks About Norm Macdonald
It’s been a couple of weeks and the fact that Norm Macdonald is no longer with us is still a hard one to accept. Of course, his fellow comedian friends have been shaken up about it, with several hitting the podcast airwaves to share memories and pay their respects. When the news broke, Conan O’Brien (a.k.a. the best part of this year’s awkward-ass Emmys) immediately hopped on his podcast to pay tribute to his good pal and favorite guest. Along with longtime sidekick Andy Richter and segment producer Frank Smiley, O’Brien discusses how Macdonald’s zero-fucks attitude and why his unpredictable, Andy Kaufman-esque comic sensibility always made him a welcome visitor on O’Brien’s myriad talk shows. Even when former NBC exec Don Ohlmeyer—who infamously dismissed Macdonald from his “Weekend Update” post during his Saturday Night Live days (Norm was doing too many jokes about Ohlmeyer’s pal O.J. Simpson)—tried to force O’Brien to not book Macdonald anymore, O’Brien insisted that he was hired to put on the best show he could. And he knew that whenever Macdonald was scheduled to appear, the show was definitely going to be a blast. [Craig D. Lindsey]